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Friday, August 10, 2007
Could This Happen in Cary?
Click on the image below to see the news story from Long Island about a loaded gravel truck tipping over and crushing a car, killing the driver. (Note: You need RealPlayer to view the news report)
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I guess my question is, do you think that the expansion will create more truck traffic?, because it won't. meyer said that they are going to be using conveyors to move the gravel to the Algonquin side of it's property. There won't be any more or less truck traffic in the Cary than there already is.
So? Don't gravel trucks from the 'Algonquin side' go through Cary now? I'm pretty sure I've seen gravel trucks on Cary Algonquin Road and US-14. Seems highly unlikely that there wouldn't be more of them if they dig a pit for 10 years.
Our elected officials need to get the message that they will never be elected for any position in Cary ever again if they allow this travesty to occur. I do not understand why the residents of Cary are not up-in-arms over this 100 acre dust bowl that is being proposed! I wonder if all or most of our elected officials live on the East side of town so this does not affect them directly? Nice huh?
If you want to argue the merits of a gravel pit that is fine. Some people will be in favor, others wont.
But linking to a story about a truck tipping over on a car and saying this could this happen in Cary? What does this have to do with the gravel pit? You're stretch of logic appears to be stating that more trucks might lead to more accidents.
What if, as stated in your blog, the land to become a residential area. Should I link to a post about random car on car accidents around the US that claim people's lives? People living in the residential area will certainly be driving cars. This will obviously lead to an increase in the car traffic/volume. I can then make your same "argument" that "New Subdivions increase traffic which can KILL PEOPLE".
The argument of the gravel pit aside, I take issue with arguments that pull in random emotional stories/facts that have little to nothing to do with what you are arguing/discussing.
It is a shame that Mr. Janu is using these type of methods to draw attention to himself. Prior to this, I thought this site had some merit, but as some of the others have stated here, I too take issue with the way he is trying to create hysteria. Figure it out Mr. Janu, Meyer has said that there would be no truck traffic on that portion of the property. All materials would be conveyed to the processing site on Rt. 31. Please don't post misinformation based on a picture you plucked off the internet. It makes you appear to be grasping for anything to bring attention to yourself.
Think of the FEAR that gravel trucks will instill in our "wonderland" community. Not just any gravel trucks! Rouge Gravel Trucks, sent by "big business" Meyer Material to TERRORIZE us!
Of course, Mr. Janu also wants us to be AFRAID of "contamination, dust, noise, traffic, particulates, loss of property value and special interest experts".
Oh, the DREAD of it all. It is so depressing to have a home in Fox Trails. I'm beginning to think that living in Gaza, Baghdad or Darfour would be preferable to Cary.
What a ridiculous fearful man (with special interests).
You are making the same type of statement as Mr. Janu, bringing up the truck accident with no data to back it up is the same as your "special interests" comment. If you have something to say, and can back it up, say it. Otherwise it's just mud slinging.
Of course Meyer has said that a new pit won't increase truck traffic. Meyer has stated a lot of things. Yes, Meyer will be conveying gravel. However, more gravel means more customers. Their pit south of Klasen will be a point at which customers can pick up gravel. And Meyer has no control over which routes their customers use to carry their newly purchased gravel. So, yes---a new pit could potentially increase truck traffic as Cary-Algonquin Road is seen as a better alternative to Route 31--especially when trying to get to Route 14 and communities to the East.
As for the story, yes it may appear to be sensationalistic. But this is what happens when industrial traffic mixes with residential traffic, especially when the roads were not meant to handle traffic from such big machines.
Yes, the story is sensationalistic. That is why you posted it. As I stated in my prior post, I detest arguments/discussions that pull in random emotional facts to tug at the heart strings of their readers. What's the matter couldn't you find a way to work in some children, baby seals, and the elderly into your story (sarcasm here in case you can not detect it)? You would have scored more emotional points with people, which is exactly what you were trying to do. Your post was not to inform or provide facts. You stated no facts. Only when people asked questions did you reply back with "a new pit could potentially increase truck traffic". The horror....the horror. Provided that the land does not stay vacant, traffic will increase be it either from a gravel pit or from residential traffic. At least with any "potentially increased truck traffic", the additional "threat" will be gone in 10 years, while a residential area will threaten the lives of people for generations to come. Now allow me a sensationalistic post...
"Could this happen in Cary?" A woman was killed and her 11-year-old son injured today when they were struck by a car in a newly built residential neighborhood. Click here to read more. Or more or more about random car accidents that have nothing to do with what I am discussing.
Please do not insult the intelligence of the people in Cary, with trite/emotional arguments based solely on conjecture and no facts. Again, if you have facts state them clearly without bias and let the informed people decide (In case you couldn't figure it out, random stories about truck accidents do not constitute facts).
Does anyone get it? Janu is using hyperbole, irony, sarcasm, etc. as film devices to make a point - a gravel pit just might not be a good idea for Cary. Some of the responses are funny. They attack Janu's "methods." Can you imagine a truck tipping over in Cary? How could he make such link! Never! How crazy can Janu be that he would suggest more truck traffic with a gravel pit? He's spreading misinformation! Just trust the experts from Meyer and all will work out, right?
I believe that you are specifically referring to my post(s). I never stated anything to the effect of trusting the "experts from Meyer"..... I do not however trust in any arguments that provide no relevant facts. Mr. Janu has stated no facts in this topic. If he had stated any facts , as I stated before, then people can investigate the facts and come to their own logical, well informed conclusions.
He is not using hyperbole, irony, or sarcasm. Please tell me what about the original post "Click on the image below to see the news story from Long Island about a loaded gravel truck tipping over and crushing a car, killing the driver. (Note: You need RealPlayer to view the news report)" is any of these......
He posted an emotional topic to get an emotional response and build support for his anti-gravel pit stance. Again.. no facts are provided.
His other posts/movies might have some of the before mentioned "hyperbole, irony, sarcasm" within them. I, however, am specifically addressing this one post. I am not even debating whether or not the gravel pit should be allowed.
Let's try not putting words in people's mouth that never said them. I have never stated my position on the gravel pit and none of my posts have ever mentioned Meyer.
My post isn't that he is spreading misinformation....he is spreading NO information in this one post.
He is expecting people to rally to his cause because of some unrelated event that happened 1000 miles from here. He might as well have found a story about stoning a person to death as they will taking rocks out of the quarries. He could have then implied that our Cary Illinois rocks could be used to murder people and they are best left in the ground where they are safe and secure under our watchful eyes (sarcasm).
I still don't get it! Why should I not want the Gravel pit? After seeing all the signs (I'm sure the owner of the property where these signs are posted gave consent, I'm glad I wasn't home when you occupied Silver Lake Road. I would of lauged hard in your face, before demanding you get off my property) I saw the link to this site on the signs (I applaud you on effective advertising) But when I saw the word "blogspot" I knew it would be a whiney rant. But I thought I would check it out anyways. The first thing I saw was the picture of a car being crushed by a gravel truck in Long Island. Oh the fear that coursed through my body (Hopefully by now you've picked up a hint of sarcasim). PUHLEESE! That can happen anywhere in Mchenry County right now with no gravel pit in Cary. If you Google Meyer's website You can link to all their locations. you will see they operate quite extensively in McHenry County.That scare tactic was VERY week, VERY week indeed. I was happy that you at least didn't exploite the "what about the children" defense. Then I saw your video where you exploited your children like a car dealership commercial (You know the shot of your son riding his toy car with a cloth over his face) and that amount of respect went out the window. I have lived in this community for over 30 years and during that time I have seen the population triple. I also remember my father being asked to sign a petition to stop a new subdivision being proposed on Cary-Algonquin road. The petition fell on deaf ears and the Fox Trails subdivision became a reality. I saw another post that claimed the village should be receptive to change based on 300 signatures, WOW 300 signatures in a town whose population is documented by the 2000 census to be 15,531. And estimated to be close to 20,000 in 2006. Lets figure conservatively at 17,00 right now. You haven't even garnered 1% of the population. If you don't want this to fall on deaf ears really make a statement by getting at least 10% of the population. Also bear in Mind that Meyer has been in buisness for almost 90 years. I'll bet dollars to dimes that they have the time and resource to push their plan through. Do you have the time and resource to fight it? Point being if they want to build a gravel pit, they WILL build a gravel pit. I'm sure your not the first community "activist" they have encountered during that time and i'm sure you won't be the last. As far as the environment issue you raise, let me ask you this , which is worse for the environment a 100 home subdivision with 200-250 automobiles occuping Cary-Algonguin road at at various times on any given day? or a gravel pit whose pollution is moniterd by the state? I know my answer to be "gravel pit" if you really want this effort to be succesfull, try an aproach that dosen't exploite children or cause false fear. And also don't hide the fact that your only REALLY worried about your property value, I know you disguise it as being lied to when you purchased your home(which I would to if i were in your shoes) But also keep in mind that most life long residents (and there are PLENTY) could care less about any concerns raised by a subdivision that most were opposed to at the start. Also let me ask you this. If the city wanted to use the land North of Lyons park (which is currently owned by a 90 year old retired farmer who will give it to his nephew when he passes on, and i'm sure it will be sold when that happens)for a garbage dump or gravel pit, right across the street from my home, right next to the park where YOUR children play baseball, soccer or football would you stand in my corner and fight it? didn't think so! so why should I support your cause? Judging by all the signs I see, I say the residents of fox trails know they are on the losing end and are trying desperate measures by exploiting children and using fear tactics to drum up support outside of Fox Trails. Pathetic!
actually the farm on silver lake road was donated to build a "super church". Sunday mornings will give the cary police some problems with traffic. Better lobby for some stop lights? Wonder if Mr. Janu will help you, since he's worried so much about children and their possiblities of getting crushed by gravel trucks...
There were 2 farmer's that owned that land. and it's HUGE. The widow of one of the farmer's sold/donated part of the land and it became Lyon's park. She also owned the land right across the street from Lyons park which she sold 7 or 8 years ago and is now a subdivision. I'm not sure if she passed or not. but her home has been abonded since 2001/2002. Where they want to build that church could be part of that donated land. I think they are going to demolish that house for the church. There is another retired farmer that is still alive and his home is almost half a mile north of her. It's hard to see to the casual observer. But it's there, and he's alive. in fact he owns a house that sits between the two. He has rented it out for decades. It is also section 8 housing. He also owns a quite a few homes in Cary that are also section 8 housing. When he passes that land is to be willed to his nephew, which I'm sure will be sold.
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I guess my question is, do you think that the expansion will create more truck traffic?, because it won't. meyer said that they are going to be using conveyors to move the gravel to the Algonquin side of it's property. There won't be any more or less truck traffic in the Cary than there already is.
So? Don't gravel trucks from the 'Algonquin side' go through Cary now? I'm pretty sure I've seen gravel trucks on Cary Algonquin Road and US-14. Seems highly unlikely that there wouldn't be more of them if they dig a pit for 10 years.
Our elected officials need to get the message that they will never be elected for any position in Cary ever again if they allow this travesty to occur. I do not understand why the residents of Cary are not up-in-arms over this 100 acre dust bowl that is being proposed!
I wonder if all or most of our elected officials live on the East side of town so this does not affect them directly? Nice huh?
You're kidding right?
If you want to argue the merits of a gravel pit that is fine. Some people will be in favor, others wont.
But linking to a story about a truck tipping over on a car and saying this could this happen in Cary? What does this have to do with the gravel pit? You're stretch of logic appears to be stating that more trucks might lead to more accidents.
What if, as stated in your blog, the land to become a residential area. Should I link to a post about random car on car accidents around the US that claim people's lives? People living in the residential area will certainly be driving cars. This will obviously lead to an increase in the car traffic/volume. I can then make your same "argument" that "New Subdivions increase traffic which can KILL PEOPLE".
The argument of the gravel pit aside, I take issue with arguments that pull in random emotional stories/facts that have little to nothing to do with what you are arguing/discussing.
It is a shame that Mr. Janu is using these type of methods to draw attention to himself. Prior to this, I thought this site had some merit, but as some of the others have stated here, I too take issue with the way he is trying to create hysteria. Figure it out Mr. Janu, Meyer has said that there would be no truck traffic on that portion of the property. All materials would be conveyed to the processing site on Rt. 31. Please don't post misinformation based on a picture you plucked off the internet. It makes you appear to be grasping for anything to bring attention to yourself.
Could this happen in Cary?
Think of the FEAR that gravel trucks will instill in our "wonderland" community. Not just any gravel trucks! Rouge Gravel Trucks, sent by "big business" Meyer Material to TERRORIZE us!
Of course, Mr. Janu also wants us to be AFRAID of "contamination, dust, noise, traffic, particulates, loss of property value and special interest experts".
Oh, the DREAD of it all. It is so depressing to have a home in Fox Trails. I'm beginning to think that living in Gaza, Baghdad or Darfour would be preferable to Cary.
What a ridiculous fearful man (with special interests).
You are making the same type of statement as Mr. Janu, bringing up the truck accident with no data to back it up is the same as your "special interests" comment. If you have something to say, and can back it up, say it. Otherwise it's just mud slinging.
Of course Meyer has said that a new pit won't increase truck traffic. Meyer has stated a lot of things. Yes, Meyer will be conveying gravel. However, more gravel means more customers. Their pit south of Klasen will be a point at which customers can pick up gravel. And Meyer has no control over which routes their customers use to carry their newly purchased gravel. So, yes---a new pit could potentially increase truck traffic as Cary-Algonquin Road is seen as a better alternative to Route 31--especially when trying to get to Route 14 and communities to the East.
As for the story, yes it may appear to be sensationalistic. But this is what happens when industrial traffic mixes with residential traffic, especially when the roads were not meant to handle traffic from such big machines.
Yes, the story is sensationalistic. That is why you posted it. As I stated in my prior post, I detest arguments/discussions that pull in random emotional facts to tug at the heart strings of their readers. What's the matter couldn't you find a way to work in some children, baby seals, and the elderly into your story (sarcasm here in case you can not detect it)? You would have scored more emotional points with people, which is exactly what you were trying to do. Your post was not to inform or provide facts. You stated no facts. Only when people asked questions did you reply back with "a new pit could potentially increase truck traffic". The horror....the horror. Provided that the land does not stay vacant, traffic will increase be it either from a gravel pit or from residential traffic. At least with any "potentially increased truck traffic", the additional "threat" will be gone in 10 years, while a residential area will threaten the lives of people for generations to come. Now allow me a sensationalistic post...
"Could this happen in Cary?" A woman was killed and her 11-year-old son injured today when they were struck by a car in a newly built residential neighborhood. Click here to read more. Or more or more about random car accidents that have nothing to do with what I am discussing.
Please do not insult the intelligence of the people in Cary, with trite/emotional arguments based solely on conjecture and no facts. Again, if you have facts state them clearly without bias and let the informed people decide (In case you couldn't figure it out, random stories about truck accidents do not constitute facts).
Does anyone get it? Janu is using hyperbole, irony, sarcasm, etc. as film devices to make a point - a gravel pit just might not be a good idea for Cary. Some of the responses are funny. They attack Janu's "methods." Can you imagine a truck tipping over in Cary? How could he make such link! Never! How crazy can Janu be that he would suggest more truck traffic with a gravel pit? He's spreading misinformation! Just trust the experts from Meyer and all will work out, right?
I believe that you are specifically referring to my post(s). I never stated anything to the effect of trusting the "experts from Meyer"..... I do not however trust in any arguments that provide no relevant facts. Mr. Janu has stated no facts in this topic. If he had stated any facts , as I stated before, then people can investigate the facts and come to their own logical, well informed conclusions.
He is not using hyperbole, irony, or sarcasm. Please tell me what about the original post "Click on the image below to see the news story from Long Island about a loaded gravel truck tipping over and crushing a car, killing the driver. (Note: You need RealPlayer to view the news report)" is any of these......
He posted an emotional topic to get an emotional response and build support for his anti-gravel pit stance. Again.. no facts are provided.
His other posts/movies might have some of the before mentioned "hyperbole, irony, sarcasm" within them. I, however, am specifically addressing this one post. I am not even debating whether or not the gravel pit should be allowed.
Let's try not putting words in people's mouth that never said them. I have never stated my position on the gravel pit and none of my posts have ever mentioned Meyer.
My post isn't that he is spreading misinformation....he is spreading NO information in this one post.
He is expecting people to rally to his cause because of some unrelated event that happened 1000 miles from here. He might as well have found a story about stoning a person to death as they will taking rocks out of the quarries. He could have then implied that our Cary Illinois rocks could be used to murder people and they are best left in the ground where they are safe and secure under our watchful eyes (sarcasm).
I still don't get it! Why should I not want the Gravel pit? After seeing all the signs (I'm sure the owner of the property where these signs are posted gave consent, I'm glad I wasn't home when you occupied Silver Lake Road. I would of lauged hard in your face, before demanding you get off my property) I saw the link to this site on the signs (I applaud you on effective advertising) But when I saw the word "blogspot" I knew it would be a whiney rant. But I thought I would check it out anyways. The first thing I saw was the picture of a car being crushed by a gravel truck in Long Island. Oh the fear that coursed through my body (Hopefully by now you've picked up a hint of sarcasim). PUHLEESE! That can happen anywhere in Mchenry County right now with no gravel pit in Cary. If you Google Meyer's website You can link to all their locations. you will see they operate quite extensively in McHenry County.That scare tactic was VERY week, VERY week indeed. I was happy that you at least didn't exploite the "what about the children" defense. Then I saw your video where you exploited your children like a car dealership commercial (You know the shot of your son riding his toy car with a cloth over his face) and that amount of respect went out the window.
I have lived in this community for over 30 years and during that time I have seen the population triple. I also remember my father being asked to sign a petition to stop a new subdivision being proposed on Cary-Algonquin road. The petition fell on deaf ears and the Fox Trails subdivision became a reality.
I saw another post that claimed the village should be receptive to change based on 300 signatures, WOW 300 signatures in a town whose population is documented by the 2000 census to be 15,531. And estimated to be close to 20,000 in 2006. Lets figure conservatively at 17,00 right now. You haven't even garnered 1% of the population. If you don't want this to fall on deaf ears really make a statement by getting at least 10% of the population.
Also bear in Mind that Meyer has been in buisness for almost 90 years. I'll bet dollars to dimes that they have the time and resource to push their plan through. Do you have the time and resource to fight it? Point being if they want to build a gravel pit, they WILL build a gravel pit. I'm sure your not the first community "activist" they have encountered during that time and i'm sure you won't be the last.
As far as the environment issue you raise, let me ask you this , which is worse for the environment a 100 home subdivision with 200-250 automobiles occuping Cary-Algonguin road at at various times on any given day? or a gravel pit whose pollution is moniterd by the state? I know my answer to be "gravel pit"
if you really want this effort to be succesfull, try an aproach that dosen't exploite children or cause false fear.
And also don't hide the fact that your only REALLY worried about your property value, I know you disguise it as being lied to when you purchased your home(which I would to if i were in your shoes) But also keep in mind that most life long residents (and there are PLENTY) could care less about any concerns raised by a subdivision that most were opposed to at the start.
Also let me ask you this. If the city wanted to use the land North of Lyons park (which is currently owned by a 90 year old retired farmer who will give it to his nephew when he passes on, and i'm sure it will be sold when that happens)for a garbage dump or gravel pit, right across the street from my home, right next to the park where YOUR children play baseball, soccer or football would you stand in my corner and fight it? didn't think so! so why should I support your cause?
Judging by all the signs I see, I say the residents of fox trails know they are on the losing end and are trying desperate measures by exploiting children and using fear tactics to drum up support outside of Fox Trails. Pathetic!
actually the farm on silver lake road was donated to build a "super church". Sunday mornings will give the cary police some problems with traffic. Better lobby for some stop lights? Wonder if Mr. Janu will help you, since he's worried so much about children and their possiblities of getting crushed by gravel trucks...
There were 2 farmer's that owned that land. and it's HUGE. The widow of one of the farmer's sold/donated part of the land and it became Lyon's park. She also owned the land right across the street from Lyons park which she sold 7 or 8 years ago and is now a subdivision. I'm not sure if she passed or not. but her home has been abonded since 2001/2002. Where they want to build that church could be part of that donated land. I think they are going to demolish that house for the church.
There is another retired farmer that is still alive and his home is almost half a mile north of her. It's hard to see to the casual observer. But it's there, and he's alive. in fact he owns a house that sits between the two. He has rented it out for decades. It is also section 8 housing. He also owns a quite a few homes in Cary that are also section 8 housing. When he passes that land is to be willed to his nephew, which I'm sure will be sold.
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